A few readers wonder why occasionally Bonddad and I wrote posts excoriating "Doomers." Bonddad usually deletes the ridiculous stuff before I see it, although personally I think the proprietor of this blog should save it at treat you all to a "Tauntapalooza" so you can read some of the "plaudits" we get. Nevertheless, some of the stuff I do see and usually I just chuckle.
Here's one that came over the transom last week:
Obviously Gov. Schwarzenegger does not read Bonddad. He explained that the significant economic pain accruing to working class people resulting from his state budget was due to the “sour economy” and he went on to compare California to Greece.{sigh} So much ignorance and lack of reading comprehension all packed tightly into 4 little sentences. I wonder if it takes practice, or whether it just comes naturally?
If he were a regular reader of the “chicken in every pot” Bonddad blog he would know that the recession is over, the economy is growing and California’s budget problems are ‘lagging indicators’.
Don’t you just hate uninformed politicians?
To begin with, of course, our Doomish visitor never bothered to read Happy Days are not Here Again. But, hey, why let a little thing like someone's actual positions get in the way of a misinformed insult.
Our correspondent also flunks out in the tax receipt department. I've been warning that Mish unintentionally bottom-ticked tax revenues, and last week
The Liscio Report, a newsletter that tracks state tax revenues, says 94% of the states that the Liscio report tracks saw sales tax revenue increase in April from April 2009. That's up from just 18% of states in March.For the math impaired, 94% of 50 is 47 states, meaning only 3 states had YoY shortfalls in April. And California wasn't one of them. According to California Comptroller John Chiang:
The average gain is around 2.5%, adjusted for population....
What that means is that March was a good month because sales-tax revenue in any given month reflects activity of the month before.
⇒ Compared to April 2009, General Fund revenue in April 2010 was up $142 million (1.4%). The total for the three largest taxes was above 2009 levels by $150 million (1.6%). This increase was driven by sales taxes that were $450 million higher (103.2%) than last year. However, corporate taxes were down by $115 million (-7.6%), and personal income taxes came in slightly below last April by $186 million (-2.5%)TSince California's revenues actually went UP, what was the problem? Mr. Chiang continues:
Compared to estimates from the 2010-11 Governor’s Budget, total General Fund revenues in April were $3.6 billion lower (-26.4%) than expected. Personal income taxes were well below expectations by $3.1 billion (-30.0%), and corporate tax revenues came in below projections by $541 million (-28.1%). Sales tax revenues were $123 million better (16.1%) than anticipated.In other words, the problem isn't actual tax collections, which were up -- and in the case of sales tax receipts, have been up YoY for 4 months in a row. No, the problem in California is the pie-in-the-sky budget projections set by Der Gubernator. Surprise, surprise.
But isn't the fact that income tax receipts came in light in April a clincher for the Doomer? Ummm, no. Over to you, Prof. Krugman:
I’ve been hearing some muttering about the April tax receipts, which are well below those of a year ago. Doesn’t that mean that all hopes of recovery, either in the economy or in the budget, should be abandoned?Now, I don't want to sound callous to the uncounted Californians who will suffer through budget cuts that are now being proposed. But they aren't being proposed due to collapsing state revenues, because California's revenues have improved. They are being imposed because politicians lied last year in their future projections.
No.
Read the CBO’s Monthly Budget Review (pdf) for the lowdown. Basically, April non-withheld income tax payments were way down — because those payments reflect 2009 income, which was way below 2008. But those tax receipts that reflect the current state of the economy — payroll, withheld income, and corporate — are all rising.
Even more importantly, Californians have known for at least a year just how badly hamstrung their budgetary process is due to the constraints imposed by a series of past Propositions, most importantly the infamous Proposition 13 with regard to property taxes, and mandating a 2/3 majority for any tax increases -- a majority that will never be obtained while one political party is resolutely intransigent on that issue. Yet not steps have been taken to enact a new Proposition to repeal or even just modify those constraints.
So, our misinformed Doomer should skidaddle on back to Doomerville, where he can stomp his feet in impotent rage and hold his breath till he's blue, because the facts sure don't support him.


9 comments:
The American economy seems to be doing fine by itself but there is a possibility that America will be negatively impacted by all the panicking in Europe. Back in 2007-2008, the subprime and the recession were mostly american phenomenons but they spread out to the rest of the world quite quickly.
Right now, the Conference Board Leading indicators are 0 for Germany and Spain, just 0.2 for France and 1.4 for the U.S.
Based on my favorite macro indicators (mostly leading indicators and yield spreads) the recovery is very solid in the US but it's a different matter in Europe.
All in all, I'm not a doomer and I've seen most of them stand in disbelief in front of the actual recovery. That list includes Mish, LEAP 2020, Roubini, etc. But that doesn't mean there can be a rapid evaporation of the current recovery due to some sovereign crisis.
In other news, California is farked up.
Frankly, I don't know why anyone in California would vote Republican. Ideology aside, it's like tipping your rapist. The GOP hates California, so it's only in their best political interests to damage their own state as much as possible. They have nothing to gain by voting to repeal Prop 13 because it makes the liberal state look inept.
Politically-induced budgetary problems can really obfuscate perspectives on the economy. But, what else is new?
@CL
A lower Euro means more exports for them, which should jump their export driven economies.
Response from the Schwarzenegger “Doomer”
Sorry I forgot to sign my name ‘Tom’. I’m a daily (sometimes twice) reader and periodic commenter. So I did read “Happy Days…” and commented that it, and other very rare postings on what you call the ‘bifurcated’ economy were excellent. I have complemented the Bonddad blog and criticized it, but never denigrated it (indeed, I recommend it) or can be accused of ad hominem insults.
The Schwarzenegger note was a tongue in cheek metaphoric expression to communicate the idea that this blog while, to my mind, pays ‘lip service’ to the suffering half of the bifurcated economy, the vast majority of its economic postings (not stock charts) is a chart game that seems to be driven by, frankly, ego. You regularly brag about being right and the so called ‘doomers’ are characterized pejoratively; indeed insultingly.
For example, your response to my ‘note’ ignores (a classic non sequitur) the point that there is ‘serious’ pain and suffering going on for what I and other ‘doomers’ judge to be ‘statistically significant’ numbers of people in California and the country as a whole. Their pain and suffering is not generally measured in the government economic statistics. You brag: look how smart I am compared to the ignorant ‘doomers’, the economy is creating jobs just like a I said.
But, you (and the government) do not analyze the characteristic of the jobs in terms of standard of living. The jobs ‘game’ is to you a ‘zero sum’ game. A person loses a $45, 000 /year full time full benefits job and takes a $15,000/year part time no benefits job; so one job lost and one gained. A job is job. So decreases in the number of full time full benefit jobs and greater increases in the number of part time no benefits jobs shows up as job creation in your statistical analysis – as I understand it. You compare job creation numbers today with recessions in the past. But, you do not compare the standard of living characteristics of the jobs created in the respective different periods. An autoworker job in 1980 is the same as a retail job in 2010: 1 job = 1 job. You are no doubt familiar with the expression “Lies, Damn lies and Statistics?
This blog is filled with statistics and I find them interesting. However, it is not obvious to me that that your charts capture the reality of the people in about the 75 percentile of family ‘standard of living’. I love the one about “increased unemployment is a good sign because discouraged workers are coming back into the job market” - talk about ‘Orwellian’ or ‘Alice in Wonderland” or Mad Magazine’s Alfred E, Newman – “what me worry?” Similarly, income tax statistics (which you imply that I commented on – again non sequitur): They are up, good news. But, how many more people have lost health insurance benefits, or had the retirement income fund slashed if not lost, or lost their homes or are in fear of losing their homes, or taking reductions in income to keep jobs, or have children who can’t afford college or can’t find a job after college, etc. etc.
Oh yes those are ‘lagging indicators’ – not to worry Alfred! Call me names if you will, but I and other ‘doomers’ do worry about all those real people (not numbers) who are experiencing real pain and do not interpret your arbitrarily drawn trend lines (not to be confused with regression lines or moving averages) as pointing to a ‘chicken in every pot’ future.
I’m sure you get my drift…
Respectfully
Tom
Tom:
First of all, the first ad hominem was your description of this blog as adverstising "a chicken in every pot." We have every right to respond.
Secondly, the point about leading vs. lagging indicators is exactly that they tell you where the future is going -- and they have worked as advertised in this recession and recovery.
Which brings me back once again to the ultimate point: since California's continuing budget problems were virtually certain to occur again this year (precisely because state finances lag), why did Californians take no action to remove at least te more onerous restrictions of Proposition 13?
Tom -
1.) None of the things you mention -- rising median income etc.. -- can happen without positive GDP and increasing economic numbers.
2.) The doomers have been 100% wrong -- which should mean something to the "reality based community." Yet it does not. In fact, the doomers still receive accolades and praise for their ability to "see through the numbers." Their arguments have become more and more ridicules. It started with having factual basis when the numbers were split about 50/50. But as the numbers have gone against them, they have started to argue the numbers are rigged. Please. If Bill O'Reilly had been saying the same things -- and been wrong in the same degree -- Think Progress would have been all over it.
3.) I've put up with a lot of personal attacks for my statements. If I had been wrong, that would have been a different story. But for the most part, I've been right. That should could for something.
NDD & Bonddad,
Thank you for your response.
NDD: Let me say, the phrase “Chicken I every pot” is not an ad hominem – i.e. an attack on an individual instead of the argument that the individual presents. It is a metaphor that attempts to capture the general theme that the blog generally projects (how can I say it without resorting to a metaphor) a ‘bright or positive future’; and I’m taking issue with that theme. Understandable in short comments there can be misunderstandings about metaphors. But, a metaphor about a theme is different from insults like “ignorance’ and ‘lack of comprehension.”
Bonddad: I understand what you say about commentators likes of Bill O’Reilly et al. But, there a many serious ‘bloggers’ who don’t take issue with the accuracy of your facts or the predictions that you and NDD have made. However, they and others such as myself are saying that the numbers are not accurately measuring (describing) the extent of the damage to the ‘standard of living’ and ‘quality of life’ (metaphors again) that a very large plurality of the people have incurred. And, they are not accurately projecting the future ‘standard of living’ and ‘quality of life’ of the America people.
It’s not you that I take issue per se. You work with the measures that the government gives us. But, the measures are selective and subjectively defined. That’s being kind. I think the labor statistics are absurd. Or consider a recent conference of economist in Washington who agreed that they could not agree on a definition of GDP (sorry I can’t remember the source).
As to blaming people (e.g. Californians) who are suffering for causing their own suffering…well surely one can recognize the obvious ideological subject value judgmental dimensions of those types of arguments. I guess they (e.g. police, firepersons, teachers, factory workers, etc.) should have reduced their own standard of living voluntarily before the reduction was (is) imposed on them? Interesting!
Having said, all that – this blog is my first economic read everyday and sometimes the final also.
Tom
Tom:
When you find a post by Bonddad or myself telling people to be happy with a reduced standard of living, be sure to tell us.
Because otherwise you've simply made a straw man argument.
Our argument has been that the economy was bottoming last summer (correctly) and improving since then (also correct) and that it would lead to job growth (also correct).
In addition, I've had several articles in the last few weeks dealing with stagnant real income and the increasing maldistribution of wealth.
So, you've got a strange definition of "chicken in every pot."
You have yet to come up with a scintilla of evidence of how California's budget woes in any way contradict anything we have said -- sales tax receipts have been increasing for months, and the states' revenues probably bottomed in the first quarter.
Again, when you come up with actual evidence refuting my/our points, feel free to let us know.
2.5% yoy? Dude that is f***ing doom. This is after the Fed printed 2 trillion and Obooma ran a total deficit of roughly the same amount. AND with the govt replacing 90% of the housing finance market. Doomish as hell. This is a nightmare. For the money that has been spent, sales tax receipts should be up 50%.
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